The UK has declared that fathers are not a necessary part of the family, or put in medical term, they are simply sperm donors. So how do I as a Christian respond to this? Do I keep silent as many on the Religious Left demand? Does the Church hunker down and take a contrary view to this style of family planning even though the state approves? Do we continue to mythologize Genesis 1-11 and further discount Adam and Eve seeing them as two 'people' instead of God's first family? Now that this is law in the UK, does the Church come under legal exposure when it calls for repentance from this lifestyle?
I find it extremely peculiar that a woman's right to abortion is enshrined while a child's right to a father is denied. This seems to be a continued path down the lane of human selfishness as humans continue to give God the finger. But hey, that's what rebellion is all about.
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that was taken way out of context. this has nothing to do with god or paternal rights in the conventional sense of the term. this is about people who want children being able to have them regardless of sexuality or social status. i agree if a father can be a valuable role in a child's life it is integral for him to be there, but no, if the alternative could have negative impacts, or a child could be raised by 1 or 2 caring, loving, stable people with the ability to instill value and self worth into a child then sometimes the former is better.
typo: former should read "latter".
and as for abortion, it's impossible to say what choice you would make if you were in a position some of these woman are in.
i believed i was pro-abortion until i became unexpectedly pregnant after a traumatic rape incident. i even went to the clinic, but decided against it. no, god didn't chose, i did. and with that i chose you see what hand god dealt to me. on the other hand i have known women who made the right choice by choosing to place the babies in care, and some who made the right choice to terminate. judge not, lest ye be judged.
Hi Anon,
Your assumptions are as follows:
politics should inform my religion and a human being is defined by the state.
I react to the state out of my theology, thus defining families as caring, loving and stable is the utilitarian answer for today's tolerance movement...that does not make it godly. Family is far more complicated than what you suggest thus when the State slouches towards the lowest common denominator, I disagree.
And no it is not impossible to know what decision I would make concerning abortion. I believe pregnant women carry little people in them, so I don't seek to destroy that life out of making my life easier.
Please don't use that judge not line. Talk about out of context, it is just a bullying technique when you want to judge me. I fully expect and desire to be judged because I see God as just, His wrath and love inseparably bound up in His good judgments.
"politics should inform my religion and a human being is defined by the state." - absolutely not. i'm not sure where you inserted that idea, but i don't agree with that.
"defining families as caring, loving and stable is the utilitarian answer for today's tolerance movement...that does not make it godly." - i'm not the one who seems (i said seems) utilitarian. where does god (in this argument) come into child welfare? who knows what god's ultimate plan is for us all, and no, i don't believe we should be judgemental. my quote was not used for bullying. i'm not trying to bully anyone.
"destroy that life out of making my life easier." yes, because in every single case of abortion it makes the woman's life easier.
you or i have no idea what that woman goes through having chosen to take that path.
i truly hope no one close to you ever is in a position similar to those described in this case. (i'm not being patronizing). remember jesus chose those close to him to be those you may see as unpalatable. it's not up to us to decide what's right or wrong when we don't have all the information.
god is the only judge. and it's between him and that person only.
Okay, I am not sure where you are going with this. Every law that is passed is a moral judgment. Abiding by those laws makes one complicit in that moral framework. Killing people is judged to be wrong by societies around the world. The difference between you and me is I see the unborn as little people and thus they should not be killed. Trying to set a personal hypothetical only appeals to the emotions not the moral. Nothing changes in the personhood of the unborn if someone close to me is laboring under a similar situation. And you don't know if I have been in that situation or not.
Your comments on God in child welfare don't make sense, and i really don't see how seeking godly standards for the family is utilitarian.
I am not sure about the Jesus part either. The followers of Jesus don't make me uncomfortable. If anything, I am the unpalatable one, but I have repented because I have come under the hot scorching gaze of Christ's judgment.
"yes, because in every single case of abortion it makes the woman's life easier.
you or i have no idea what that woman goes through having chosen to take that path."
To add to my husbands comments... One thing that is often over looked in the abortion discussion are the psychological, emotional and spritual traumas that effect the woman after she has had an abortion. Just because the child may no longer exist in they physical sense, does not mean that the child is gone. Frequently the memory of that child will haunt the woman for the rest of her life. Couples who have had an abortion usually end up breaking up, and depression often follows both the man and woman.
I do not know that its possible to say that the abortion made the woman's life easier... it may "solve" one problem, but it creates more challenges than it fixes.
I don't know what its like to feel like abortion is the only answer. And for women like yourself, who have experienced a rape and then become pregnant, the challenges are great. And you are right -- i personally do not know what that is like. Honestly, I hope that I never do. You had a lot of courage to carry that child to term (and I'm guessing from what you said, kept him or her, but I could be wrong). I can't imagine that would have been an easy experience for you. I'm sure its not my place to say this, but thank you for making that decision and giving life to your child.
"To add to my husbands comments... One thing that is often over looked in the abortion discussion are the psychological, emotional and spritual traumas that effect the woman after she has had an abortion." exactly. i'm not trying to argue right or wrong. i feel the exact same way about it. yes, i did keep my daughter and no, i don't regret it. as i said i made my choice and almost daily i'm faced with judgement from society and peers (because i've chosen not to talk about the father) i was even shunned by my last church because of my decision (and that was the people's opinion, not god's)
i know nothing about you, and you know nothing about me, and that's okay; i do apologize if i've angered or offended anyone, but with this law, yes, it gives "permission" from the government. not from god himself. abortion was legal when i was pregnant, and i chose against it. perhaps that was my own test/path to take. if i were to go through it all again, i would have made the same decision - just because i'm allowed to, doesn't mean i can't make my own choices, nor does it dictate what other women choose. and again, i don't (and as you said, you don't) know what the reprocussions of thier decisions are (and i don't think i'd like to_
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